These shoes look different than the Billy's shoes I have bought in the past for my daughts smos. She just outgrew her 11m Little kids. I bought the next size up 12m little kids. It was insanely to large! Theres like an inch and a half from toe to front of the foot. I'm am trying to figure out if I was sent big kids size 12m by mistake but the label of the shoe is no help. Nor is the box. The inside label looks completely different than usual. It just says kids 12m. Not little or big kids. There is a number that says bk22317-670. Does the BK mean big kids. I just ordered another size 11m Little kids. I have no idea if I was given the wrong size or of the size difference between shoes is just insane.So many people compliment these shoes. Great for kids learning to tie or for special needs. My daughter wears ankle foot orthotics (AFOs) and they are perfect to use with those. This is our second pair of billy shoes and we plan to buy moreI ordered a size 13 little kids, but received a 12. A size 13 Billy's sticker on the shoe box. was placed on top of the size 12 one.SiMy daughter shoes are way to big thought they fit but already dirt has club footReturned because they were too big but Amazon is saying they didn’t receive the return.The shoe was nice and wide to fit over and around my daughters leg braces. She could easily put them on. But they started to wear holes in bottom in less than a month and zipper was breaking. Now after a few months we can’t use them anymore because they are so worn out.